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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#16 » Post by warangels » 19 Dec 2016 18:54

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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#17 » Post by Sagiri » 19 Dec 2016 19:10

Shame, Aleks.
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#18 » Post by exchanger1 » 19 Dec 2016 19:18

Sagiri wrote:Shame, Aleks.
Yeah, it's a shame that someone keeps it real, but on the other side being manipulative (like vast MAJORITY of officers in INQ) is alright.
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#19 » Post by Royo » 19 Dec 2016 20:01

So moral of the story is... (aside from blaming Inq) is that Palamaster, AKA Hansrutger is the person that destroyed Alliance? LOL dawg how does it feel? Do you need the thug life shades and cigarette?

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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#20 » Post by testeromir » 19 Dec 2016 20:05

There is no moral of the story, I just wrote things how they look from my perspective. As u can see I clearly admited part of my bad side too. Also I am not blaming anyone for anything. These are the things viewed through my glass.
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#21 » Post by benzviliran » 19 Dec 2016 20:17

Arockalypse wrote:
benzviliran wrote:whats the point bothering about inquisition? they are gone already.
And you along with em.

but thats not a fact.
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#22 » Post by Arockalypse » 19 Dec 2016 20:28

benzviliran wrote:
Arockalypse wrote:
benzviliran wrote:whats the point bothering about inquisition? they are gone already.
And you along with em.

Here's something worth taking a piss on
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but thats not a fact.

Quote me properly please
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#23 » Post by mcheka » 19 Dec 2016 21:18

I'll address only the parts that I know about (don't know about Inquisition/Divinity history in the precambrian age).

I also don't vouch for other posters such as x00er00, whose post I don't like as it's unncecessary bragging. Still, those are opinions from individual members and don't represent the guild's stance, nor do these players necessarily know much of the story.

Your story is quite detailed and explicative. Sadly, more than half your facts (including technical game ones), almost all of which you could have easily fact-checked, are wrong.
testeromir wrote:So dear officers of both guild used this to gear their alts, to get RS25hc and LK 25hc loot on free.
Who did this? Almost every officer from each guild, myself included, would try to fill the "guest guild" spot with members who didn't get as much play time. You probably saw how annoyed Bang was with me at that time, as I would always pick 6-7 Divinity players to join the Inquisition raid, and then always sit out myself despite his insistence that I join. Others behaved in a similar fashion, from both guilds.
testeromir wrote:Dan and Yul started leading that
Yul never led a single raid in Divinity, nor was she an officer for long. She was in fact demoted long before this happened, when Rohan decided that officer rank meant raid leader, no exceptions. However, even as a non-officer, she contributed by doing the tedious and thankless job (as you know better than anyone) of handling DKP.
testeromir wrote:(I dare say their raids were even faster than Rohans)
Incorrect. These were the first raids of the week, so all characters and IDs were available, allowing for more overgearing. They weren't really faster.
testeromir wrote:Rohan was leading on saturday and Sunday. And at peak of raiding of alliance. Dan and Yul decided to leave Divinity for INQ. Some drama came when Dan and YUl wanted guild leadership for themselves since they "leaded all raids" which was ROFL, because they did lead some raids but not all, and it was just that point in time that Rohan got busy. Then Rohan left the guild and gave em leadership, and then next day he got back and Dan and Yul went to INQ.
Rohan had some personal crisis in which he told me he was leaving the guild to start a new one himself and passed me the guild leadership at random. It was called <Boiling Blood> or something along those lines. Seeing as I didn't want to be guild leader, I asked him after he slept on it, if he wanted the leadership back.

He did indeed, and I gave it back to him, and then left the guild to fulfill a promise I'd made to him when I first became officer there in May 2015, that if he ever caused the sort of drama that led to him kicking the entire guild in April 2015, I would leave as I don't deal with that sort of bullshit.

You can think of that as the straw that broke the camel's back -- many "little" things had cropped up over a long period of time. You can consider the main reason that I simply couldn't stand the way he treated people as if they were tools for his own power gain. It was the best guild decision I made on TrueWoW, because I couldn't stand listening to a megalomaniac who treated his guild members and officers (such as Palamaster, Kink ]who sadly remained in the guild despite being treated like crap by Rohan], [formerly] Fjord, Eco, Koe, and others) like they were different heads of a screwdriver. WoW is supposed to be about having fun and playing with friends, and the atmosphere that had developed within Divinity was one I no longer wanted to be in. I can get into much more detail, as I got to know him quite closely (even on a personal level with regard to his emigration and prospects to my country), but you can ask me for that privately if you're interested.
testeromir wrote:Dan and Yul could just ask for demotion and stop leading raids, also they knew that ROhan's atribute from before they could just not accept being offcers, so either they were dumb (not to know that Rohans attribute) or they were hypocrital).
You may have a cynical and hareful view of the world, but I regard people I don't know with optimism. I didn't know Rohan previously, as I had never really been part of Divinity. The only prior bad experience I'd had with him was a weird guild split for which I didn't know the reason.

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They brought their friends to Inquisition (they made whatsapp group called friends, kept adding their "friends" there and kept asking em to leave Divinity and join INQ), they kept whispering Divinity players to join INQ.
Various subsets of Divinity members had multiple WhatsApp chats for quite awhile before any of that happened. Yul, Palamaster, myself, and a few others who were close-knit friends indeed had a WhatsApp group in which we mostly made dick jokes and talked about WoW in the manner that a few friends would sit around talking over beers on a Saturday night.

I suggest you ask any Divinity member instead of jumping to conclusions. I not only never asked anyone to come to Inquisition, but I actively encouraged absolutely everyone who contacted me to stay, and that my reasons for leaving were personal. Moreso, I even specifically told people who changed guilds to go back, and luckily some of them did. I had no intention of harming the raiding progress there. I simply no longer wanted to be in that environment with Rohan, as I explained previously. Any time someone would ask about the guilds on the server, I gave an unbiased and fact-based view about raiding success and stats, and never value judgements on which to join.

So, don't you dare spread these lies here, because I've abided by this personal rule so strictly that I have never recruited a single individual player to Inquisition even after Divinity has left the server. In fact, I still abide by this rule today even on our Cataclysm server, and I never recruit individuals (only posting general public recruitment posts). Shame on you for even suggesting this.
testeromir wrote:Knowing all of that my natural conclusion is that they geared themselves up in Divinity, and that they didnt like DIvinity because Rohan had a moto of officers gearing other ppl, officers were the ones who had to log needed chars, and u had to raid a LOT to gear urself up (do all kind of raids icc10hc,icc10n,rs10hc,rs10n,icc25n,rs25n for DKP) etc.
This is true of any guild. Of the first ~24 RS25HC runs I did with Inquisition, I tanked all but one of them. Hint: I wasn't interested in gearing tanks.
testeromir wrote:So what Dan and Yul did, they brought up their friends to INQ made dkp for only rs25hc and icc25hc and Ulduar so they could log 2 times a week and finish BiSing their toons
This can't be further from the truth. The fact that you believe this is downright offensive.

Yul, Palamaster, and myself, fought fiercely with the other Inquisition officers to have more things than those that you mentioned, being for DKP. Anyone who was an Inquisition officer in ~March or ~April 2016 can attest to this.

I personally proposed multiple times we even award DKP for battlegrounds (not that I would have PvP'd). Palamaster even wanted "fun" events for DKP, and we all wanted Naxx10, Ulduar10, and so forth all to be for DKP. Sadly, most of the other officers were against this, many not seeing the (especially social) value of awarding, or citing logistical reasons ("who's gonna handle all this extra DKP?") despite Palamaster personally offering to handle all the extra DKP by himself. Unfortunately, we ended up losing this battle and most of those raids were removed from DKP. We had to fight hard to even get DKP back for ICC10HC and RS10HC, let alone normal modes which were out of our reach. Keep in mind, all of this was despite the fact that we argued for something that would hurt us personally, as it would mean less loot for us.

Shame on you, Testera, for even daring to suggest that we did this. Maybe if you yourself hadn't abandoned Inquisition because you wanted more personal, you'd have still been part of the officer meetings and backed us up. Sadly, you saw the prospect of more gear in Divinity and abandoned Inquisition.



testeromir wrote:and that YUl's dear friend Palamaster can get Ulduar mace (Palamaster was leading Ulduars, does it surprise u when I tell you that after Palamster got his mace he quickly became "bored" of Ulduar ? ).
Palamaster very explicitly said that his goal in Ulduar was to get his mace, end of story. He never pretended differently, and marketed his Ulduar as his way to get the mace. Even in the first run, he was always extremely clear about that -- when people would slack on achievements they wanted, he'd explain that he was only doing it for the mace so if they wanted to slack then he wouldn't help them get achievements.

Sadly, nobody wanted to continue after Pala got his mace, so as he had accomplished the goal he explictly stated, he stopped leading them.

I guess you're one of the people who thinks someone is a ninja for taking WFS heroic for themselves when they host a run advertised as "ICC10HC 4-boss, WFS reserved for myself so beware if you join".

Divinity was crippled at first, but really quickly (1-2weeks) Divinity got up and started doing really well clearing 3 lk 25hc (1 week even 4) and 3-4 rs25hc depending on the week.
testeromir wrote:Somewhere in time dear Palamaster became GM and he started abusing powers.
Let's ignore all the tactics that Divinity and Hellraiser's dear senior GM Dymond always engaged in -- like ignoring people who logged alt chars when LK was on 10% to get gear/titles, or awarding loot after bosses were bugged despite that TrueWoW had a strict policy not to award loot when it got bugged. Guess it didn't matter if it was her group, her friends, or her guild though. I witnessed all these firsthand when I was in Divinity, and I'll laugh if Dymond denies these.
testeromir wrote:he started spying Divinity raids and talking to the officers of INQ about his findings about spying (he even responded to INQ tickets only).
We typically had 4-6 GM toons locked to every ID, including TrueWoW's sweetheart mentioned above, "spying" on Inquisition raids. GMs whose playtoons were active raiders in Divinity (and Hellraisers, but that's irrelevant).
testeromir wrote:Now INQ ppl knew that Valkir fix was incoming, they practiced that a lot.
Of course we knew it was coming. We worked hard to test and report any bug that helped anyone. Look at the bugtracker for Christ's sake, Inquisition reported more than the other guilds on the server combined during that timeframe. Most were bugs that we ourselves were "abusing" (jump-back tactics).

While everyone else was happy with broken mechanics (with exceptions -- you yourself reported some bugs, and Amorian did a great job too) and just collecting their LK weapons and Halion trinkets, we worked with TrueWoW's devs (one of who was an active raider in Divinity, ironically) to help the server progress toward its Blizzlike goal. Please, put us in jail.

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife, when a guy who preaches how great a certain other server is (later in your post) because its mechanics is so great, seems to be salty that TrueWoW's mechanics progressed and made him unable to get his gear as quickly as before.
testeromir wrote:I think they wanted to make Divinity and HR unable to kill LK and make everyone bask in glory on INQ (ROFL).
"For deluded Divinity and Hellraisers players"...
testeromir wrote:He was spying us as GM and he told that to officers of INQ, and CoT became non-usable on LK asap (devs made that happen).
Believe it or not, I had friends in Divinity (and still do). Some of them had told me about CoT use over the past several months, and I'd heard of its use on LK a few weeks prior.
testeromir wrote:Now the whole epicness of that and the whole HYPOCRISY of that is that INQ was using CoT on Sindy and kept USING CoT on sindy while CoT isnt supposed to work on bosses. That was the top of ROFL. So Divinity cant use CoT on LK because INQ officers told that, but they can use it on SIndy ??? I must say that I am extremely happy that we downed LK with using CoT and that I got 2nd havoc on my dk on that kill. Go die u HYPOCRITES!!!!
Please check the commentary in the following bugtracker reports (and follow the links that show that it was intended on Sindragosa, as a rare exception) that date back several months before any of the LK fixes came.

http://www.truewow.org/bugs/view.php?id=3263
http://www.truewow.org/bugs/view.php?id=4424

"Go die u HYPOCRITE!!!!"
testeromir wrote:Now to you dear INQ delusioned member, if u think INQ is glorious
The delusions of grandeur may exist, but they are individual opinions and not shared by Inquisition as a whole. We're a group of friends who wish to play WoW together in a great atmosphere.

We're happy when we accomplish something like LK25HC despite TW being a bit bugged, but we know damn well it's 7-year old content and we're an at least average guild. We're proud of being at least average! At least we're not below average! Some of us still wanna try to be a good raiding guild.


testeromir wrote:I am sorry I must disapoint you, I play in GD guild which downs icc25hc (10% buff), rs25hc and toc25hc on the same day in 3.5 h including gathering, so INQ was not glorious believe me.
Now to you dear GD delusioned member, if u think GD is glorious, i played in a retail guild that downed icc25hc, rs25hc, toc25hc in 20 minutes with a +30% boss health buff, in 2003 before WoW was even released and we did it with only 21 people.
testeromir wrote:Also your dear officers are most of the time doing what they want, and u are there to raid with them so they can have "fun" (as Palamasters case in Ulduar)
Of course we do what we want. We want to have fun. Inquisition members join us if they also find the things we do, fun.

Is this game a job for you? Do you not play for fun?

testeromir wrote:or u can gear em.
Please see my point near the beginning of the reply.
testeromir wrote:Blaming Divinity for state of this server is a huge joke. Rohan never did anything that would hurt community on the TW. Sure he cared about Divinity and prioritized it, there is nothing wrong with it, he encouraged Ascension to raid and helped it, he was a part of joint effort with INQ. Now the most bizzare thing that happened is that Bangarang at some point wanted to join Divinity but Rohan refused to let him so INQ wont die. Now I can understand that u might not like Rohan because of his temper, we are all humans and we have bad sides to us, but blaming him about this state of server is something ridiculous.
I agree almost 100% with this. Rohan is not to blame for the state of the server, and neither is Divinity, or Inquisition, or Arnis, or Hellraisers, or anything else. TrueWoW is dying a natural death (though most of us, myself included, cling to a hope that maybe it'll make a revival -- and Hellraisers + other guilds are doing a great job spearheading this revival)




To conclude, Testera -- check your facts before you come in with your false sense of superiority and newfound GD (read: toxic) attitude to write fiction about the guild you possibly (possibly, because I haven't checked the facts) betrayed for loot, just like you previously (possibly) betrayed the guild you so staunchly defend in your post.
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#24 » Post by mcheka » 19 Dec 2016 21:25

Arockalypse wrote:Image
Of course we write with embellishment to establish ourselves in our new community. How are you surprised by this?

We cater to all sorts of players, and while I myself don't necessarily have an interest in endgame PvE there yet, there are many Inquisition members who want to try to attract some good raiders and hopefully even some raid leaders to our guild there so we present ourselves in the best possible light, embellishing somewhat.

How petty can you be that you actually created accounts there to post in that thread on another server, which doesn't even affect you. It doesn't even have anything to do with TrueWoW. We didn't even name our previous server there. What exactly is your goal with that post?

Anyways, I don't want this to turn into a big thing. I've changed it to "one of the top", is that enough so that yourself, the rest of Hellraisers, and others won't be offended?
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#25 » Post by skyx » 19 Dec 2016 22:11

For real, can someone kindly give me a TL;DR because damn... there is a shit-ton of wall of text in this thread lol.

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#26 » Post by Longi » 19 Dec 2016 23:08

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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#27 » Post by Arockalypse » 19 Dec 2016 23:10

mcheka wrote:How petty can you be that you actually created accounts there to post in that thread on another server, which doesn't even affect you. It doesn't even have anything to do with TrueWoW. We didn't even name our previous server there. What exactly is your goal with that post?
mcheka wrote:How petty can you be that you actually created accounts there to post in that thread on another server


mcheka wrote:How petty can you be that you actually created accounts



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How petty can you be that you searched for me, flew all the way to feralas to kill me, on another server (that ain't you, nor it's Nyeriah, it's some clicker back-peddler aka benzviliran/Balanced)

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Arockalypse wrote:
benzviliran wrote:whats the point bothering about inquisition? they are gone already.
And you along with em.
but thats not a fact.

Yeah bro, i know it's your pathetic ass lmfao
flew all the way on your alliance toon to find me and kill me :lol:
but it's good, it shows all that anger inside you caused by me
love to trigger your kind.
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#28 » Post by Eronox » 19 Dec 2016 23:18

In the end, does it even matter
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There's things that never will be right I know, and things need changin' everywhere you go.
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#29 » Post by Arockalypse » 19 Dec 2016 23:21

Eronox wrote:In the end, does it even matter
If you wanna look at it this way
You don't even fucking matter either and neither does your post :D
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Re: For deluded Inquisition players

#30 » Post by Royo » 19 Dec 2016 23:28

Wait wait wait, Balanced AKA butthurt piece of shit benz named his char after Nyeriah? What a fuckin toolbag.
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