Fire mage PVP guide.

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Re: Fire mage PVP guide.

#16 » Post by Fastor » 02 Dec 2014 22:45

ribbaribbahey wrote:I don't know if you are familiar with the spirit build but it's pretty important.
You mean one that use Spirit Offset+weapon and use Molten to convert it to crit, making -3%crit +300mp5 last time l calculated?

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#17 » Post by ribbaribbahey » 02 Dec 2014 23:00

Yes. The mp5 should be higher if i remember well, around 400. And the crit reduction lower. Ofc it depends on how you gem.
Btw i edited my last post.

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#18 » Post by Fastor » 02 Dec 2014 23:13

Ok so my mistake when l said up how much is benefit. On screen shot we can see its 187 MP5 vs 4.59% Crit without +10% Spirit Talent (arcane) and without Molten Armor Glyph. 1391 Resilence and 125 Spell Pen remain same.

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Here is with MA Glyph but still without Spirit talent. Here we can see some improvements. 187 MP5 remain but difference in Crit is 3.18%.

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So, in the end when we compare full crit gear without MA Glyph like OP told and Spirit gear with MA Glyph we have 187 MP5 vs 1.91% Crit.

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#19 » Post by ribbaribbahey » 02 Dec 2014 23:45

Mate what is the reason of this if you aren't considering the right spec/glyphs? And gems. Moreover, staff and spell penetration wand. Thanks for the attempt but do things propely or has no sense...
PS: and you are not using the spirit ring(/s).
PS2: nonspirit's combat mp5 is the half of what it is written there unless you run mage armor. Only with talents spirit fire gets 100% mp5 in combat.
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#20 » Post by Fastor » 02 Dec 2014 23:48

What you talk about, wands are not spell pen. They are Spirit and Crit. Gems are also in place. Ring l didnt used spirit and l went full WF gear with AV ring. l compared only what Disc told me to compare if l ever want to do fire spec and that is MP5 vs Crit.

If you wish toon is still online on test realm, so you can check.

PS on PS2: Yes due to Talent in fire spec +50% mana regen during casting +3% crit and Mage armor, but that is something that everyone understand. l dont see why to point that out, they can read talents them self when they try this.

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#21 » Post by ribbaribbahey » 02 Dec 2014 23:51

My bad didn't see the second pair of images :P
But still-
ribbaribbahey wrote: PS2: nonspirit's combat mp5 is the half of what it is written there unless you run mage armor. Only with talents spirit fire gets 100% mp5 in combat.
With Majestic dragon's figurine i reach 600 mp5, 480ish without. I don't know how you get this low 180ish.
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#22 » Post by Fastor » 02 Dec 2014 23:52

Cough, read again :D
Fastor wrote:l dont see why to point that out, they can read talents them self when they try this.
If they use this guide, at least they can read talents and see whats what. In the end this is just direction to what to do.

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#23 » Post by ribbaribbahey » 03 Dec 2014 00:02

You aren't always on mage armor :P That's why. 'Bout the wand...

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#24 » Post by Fastor » 03 Dec 2014 00:12

Probably because l missunderstood you. I used spirit wand and some gems were 12sp13spell pen. But still, how you got that 600MP5??? It is insane.

Anyhow, off to sleep. Will test more later.

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#25 » Post by ribbaribbahey » 03 Dec 2014 01:02

I had pure +20 spirit blue gems,12sp 10 spirit as red, majestic dragon figurine and spirit rings. I now switched to more spell power using blue sockets as 12 sp 10 spirit and red as 23 sp (when i could, priority to hit cap) with a pure crit trinket, that results in 450 mp5 and 33% base crit. You can check now in my armory, switched gears for you.
The logic gearing for spirit is that you try to never gem spell penetration cause you need the blue sockets for spirit, thus you use the wand, the back enchant and few gems or the off-hand.
Some abilities like MA glyph need a MA recast to work though.

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Re: Fire mage PVP guide.

#26 » Post by Fivecapz » 03 Dec 2014 09:23

ribbaribbahey wrote:Nice guide. If I may, I could point something out.
I don't know if you are familiar with the spirit build but it's pretty important. Just like everything it has pros and cons, but it is so good with a magic dispeller by your side that requires a mention. I could write a couple of lines when i have some time if you'd like.
LB glyph is great, the crits from the dots won't proc pyros but they are comparable with scorch's glyph dmg increase, don't require a cast time and place a debuff on the target, that is always a good thing against dispellers. Also spamming LB in bg's is the best for pyro procs.

you're literally talking about arena, which i am not.


scorch = more damage
evocate = HEALING
sheep = cc/escape

LB glyph is literally useless, as these 3 are pretty much the best glyphs you can have the dot crits do not matter that much to change a glyph of evocate, or sheep. little own scorch.
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#28 » Post by Fastor » 03 Dec 2014 19:12

Dropdead wrote:Topical
Tropical? Typical?

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#30 » Post by Fastor » 03 Dec 2014 19:21

Well thats a new one.

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