[Rejected] Change cf bgs

Do you support these changes to be done?

Yes, I do, get normal bgs back during the day.
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62%
No, keep it as it is.
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Total votes: 55

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Re: Change cf bgs

#46 » Post by Floss » 19 Mar 2017 22:27

CF vs Maybe having 2-3 people comeback? easy answer ...

You guys should just accept CF , it's just a game!
Who cares who you're fighting with/against ? just do your daily BGs without drama.

Hell if i had Freddy krueger, Jason voorhees and michael myers in my BG team , i would still do it if thats what it takes to balance BGs.

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Re: Change cf bgs

#47 » Post by devil5000 » 19 Mar 2017 23:07

There is barley any decent wotlk server that would even want to merge since most of them are either big enought on their own or small servers that are mostly pay to win and arent even worth merging with since their owners only care about money.
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Re: Change cf bgs

#48 » Post by Ancestor » 20 Mar 2017 06:09

+1 this cf change didnt help

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Re: Change cf bgs

#49 » Post by loveable » 20 Mar 2017 08:03

Floss wrote:
19 Mar 2017 22:27
CF vs Maybe having 2-3 people comeback? easy answer ...

You guys should just accept CF , it's just a game!
Who cares who you're fighting with/against ? just do your daily BGs without drama.

Hell if i had Freddy krueger, Jason voorhees and michael myers in my BG team , i would still do it if thats what it takes to balance BGs.
flossy u looking to this issue from a point , we look from other point
i know u , i know reck both of u are good , but u guys are kinda out of server ,u playing just few ours per week
man those 4 5 players
1 - they play BG more than all of this guys that they asked for CF bg(beside urself) - chill is happy for CF cuz he farm 3v3 bg's and he is 1st win rank in month :lol: :lol:
2 - they Do Raids Allways in alliance , can u say this about urself or other this guys ? well only marick and sometimes wilcox they do raid and both are hord
this is a pvp suggesttion but it does direct effect on pve too , same for pve CF

i would say this to all TW players , Please use your brain and think about this :
all of this CF's had only only only negative effect on alliance
1 - CF pve killed alliance Raid's , and now in CF , HR do raid and they NEVER ask alliance's for their raids from start , they just use us to fill their raids if they lack player
2 - followed by CF Pve Bg's Died . How Bg died ? before CF we had both hord and alliance in quee , i remember we had some 12v12 AB , from hord (rohit , tenebroo , terrorist ,bakemonna , remolu and ...) they were in quee 24/7 and tons of dps, so many horde's they were in quee cuz of them , even when they were offline still many hord were in quee , it was same for alliance , i say only few alliance names who were in quee allways (Cienias , benta , milan , me , specialist , salchi , reck and ...) beside "Bighead" on both side :D
but , CF Pve happend , and Bg's Got big hit , first of all our pop got hit cuz of pve cf , some ppl already left tw cuz it , then alliance Raids Died cuz it so we lost some ally pvp/pve active players


as i said , this guys , they are just few spot in BG's nothing more , by other word "useless"
alliance pop going down everyday , more and more , u'll see only 2 alliance online "Regent" "Chillmaster" , regent just doing rhc and few rbg , chill is not doing rhc , he just do rbg , i hope all of u enjoy from it when it happen :lol: :lol:
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Re: Change cf bgs

#50 » Post by devil5000 » 20 Mar 2017 14:25

loveable wrote:
20 Mar 2017 08:03
Floss wrote:
19 Mar 2017 22:27
CF vs Maybe having 2-3 people comeback? easy answer ...

You guys should just accept CF , it's just a game!
Who cares who you're fighting with/against ? just do your daily BGs without drama.

Hell if i had Freddy krueger, Jason voorhees and michael myers in my BG team , i would still do it if thats what it takes to balance BGs.
flossy u looking to this issue from a point , we look from other point
i know u , i know reck both of u are good , but u guys are kinda out of server ,u playing just few ours per week
man those 4 5 players
1 - they play BG more than all of this guys that they asked for CF bg(beside urself) - chill is happy for CF cuz he farm 3v3 bg's and he is 1st win rank in month :lol: :lol:
2 - they Do Raids Allways in alliance , can u say this about urself or other this guys ? well only marick and sometimes wilcox they do raid and both are hord
this is a pvp suggesttion but it does direct effect on pve too , same for pve CF

i would say this to all TW players , Please use your brain and think about this :
all of this CF's had only only only negative effect on alliance
1 - CF pve killed alliance Raid's , and now in CF , HR do raid and they NEVER ask alliance's for their raids from start , they just use us to fill their raids if they lack player
2 - followed by CF Pve Bg's Died . How Bg died ? before CF we had both hord and alliance in quee , i remember we had some 12v12 AB , from hord (rohit , tenebroo , terrorist ,bakemonna , remolu and ...) they were in quee 24/7 and tons of dps, so many horde's they were in quee cuz of them , even when they were offline still many hord were in quee , it was same for alliance , i say only few alliance names who were in quee allways (Cienias , benta , milan , me , specialist , salchi , reck and ...) beside "Bighead" on both side :D
but , CF Pve happend , and Bg's Got big hit , first of all our pop got hit cuz of pve cf , some ppl already left tw cuz it , then alliance Raids Died cuz it so we lost some ally pvp/pve active players


as i said , this guys , they are just few spot in BG's nothing more , by other word "useless"
alliance pop going down everyday , more and more , u'll see only 2 alliance online "Regent" "Chillmaster" , regent just doing rhc and few rbg , chill is not doing rhc , he just do rbg , i hope all of u enjoy from it when it happen :lol: :lol:
Tenebroo is banned,Bakemonna stopped playing bcs of other stuff,Rohit still plays.Im always open to make joint raids with alliance players all you had to do is ask.I didnt play ally in a while since most of people i knew from there left bcs of rl stuff.Nearly every week i take ally players in icc anyway since not enought people from guild join in.Cf Raids didnt cripple ally pve that much.Thing that crippled ally pve is the fact that both Divinity and Inqisition changed servers/changed expansions and pvp got hurt in there too since back then most of pvers were either ally or ex hordes that were transfered to ally(most of thsoe left with their guilds)
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Re: Change cf bgs

#51 » Post by Gnurg » 20 Mar 2017 15:35

I don't think we should have cross-faction battlegrounds without fully enabling cross-faction everywhere. Guilds are still not cross-faction, and I do believe that most raiding is done through guilds. If you don't have a big guild on your side, you naturally migrate to the other side or not play at all. If you eliminate the need for both sides for battlegrounds, there's even less reason to stay on the less populated side.

A. Enable Cross-Faction everywhere, keep Cross-Faction battlegrounds enabled.
B. Disable Cross-Faction battlegrounds.
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Re: Change cf bgs

#52 » Post by benta » 20 Mar 2017 23:36

Okay, so as it seems server is split in half, I here to say my opinion, I was against CF BGs from the start, and still am.
Here are some of my arguments:
- whenever I wanna play with a friend and we want to play together we have a really bg chance of getting in different teams , which really sux.
- the quality of bgs is not better , maybe ever worse, i guess the bg que doesn't work by a criteria, it just mixes people from both factions, where i wanna get is that u get to pvp with ''random'' players. I have a perfect example, we were doing AB, and during that bg nobody even typed something in the /bg chat , not to mention so many bgs i've been in people are not playing for the objective anymore, just midding and getting that pretty HK.
- Cf bg won't get you new players, will only make you lose players, and why daf*q people that play 2 bgs per year talk so much here, I know everyone opinion is important , but all the people that are agains CF are people that actually used to BG alot.
- The only valid argument CF bg have is that you get that ''insta'' que , which ofc , is not true . u see, the hype did NOT last for too long, maybe a week? or even less... indeed I get that que faster, but for what , for a meaningless bg where mixed up people get together and do what?

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Re: Change cf bgs

#53 » Post by IronSharona » 20 Mar 2017 23:40

Word of mouth which would increase interest or decrease interest in a business is 90-120 days. CF BG has been implemented nowhere near that long so I don't believe anyone has the right to decide whether or not it "worked." That would be a generous answer assuming that everyone thought CF BGs had the same goal to begin with, which I highly doubt is the case.
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Re: Change cf bgs

#54 » Post by skyx » 21 Mar 2017 23:44

CF Bg is better than what it was before (which isn't much in the first place)

but ALL THOSE FKN GNOMES when you are a horde character playing for the Alliance. :cry:

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Re: Change cf bgs

#55 » Post by milanlord » 22 Mar 2017 00:07

Nyeriah wrote:
19 Mar 2017 18:43
Matsy wrote:
19 Mar 2017 18:39
Nyeriah wrote:
19 Mar 2017 18:07
So basically the idea is to cripple it so there are no bgs during the peak hours?

A lot of the votes that are in favor of this are from people using multiple accounts, I checked IPs. The same doesn't happen for people voting against it, no duplicates there

Maybe instead of going against the blizlike nature of the server and implementing CF bullshit (which will turn away more people than it brings in) you should work on fixing the underlying issue about the player base? instead of forcing us together whether we like it not? No? okay. We have had a major playerbase issue for a very long time and its getting lower all the time. Then you split us even more with the new realm when you just don't have the players to support it.

I'm all up for this change, I'd rather the feature be completely deleted but if this would give us back normal BG during the day, then yes.
Because fixing the "underlying playerbase issue" is so easy, is it not? We can just spawn players!

You are likely losing as many players by having this enabled as you would lose for not having activity in the server. It's not an easy math to do.
I couldn't said any better than what Matsy said. He explained it very well.

@Nyeriah, you are so wrong here, you enabled cf pve raids and you lost guild who was raiding in the EU time and the players who raided in that time. We had activity, it was shy, but starting to recover in slow steps.
Now I'm answering to you and Marick:

Before cf pve, alliance was able to solo make 25man raids, toc, rs, icc. If you say otherwise, then you don't know what you are saying, because I was one of the people who was making them and I saw others doing the same. Alliance people who were raiding, didn't want cf pve, the remaining people from alliance were highly against it, but you didn't listen to us!
You listened to few people from alliance who didn't want to help with raids, because they were too salty and didn't want to raid with "noobs", but they are so pro that they came to forum to QQ asking for changes in game, hoping they will get invites in 25hc HR raids, but they only got s**t(which was really nice from HR, thank you guys) + some horde players even though horde had enough people for raids.
What did you get with cf pve? You lost only active alliance guild, you killed pug raids, you killed one faction completely because people wanted to join only to icc which HR organized and you know what is the biggest irony, you lost some horde players too, because they were angry due to cf pve being enabled. And horde players logging their alts stuck on alliance.
The same is happening now with cf rbgs, you are losing players, getting nothing in return, the activity you speak about happened only at start, rest is just fake makeup pretending to have more bg's, but when you check the stats in those bg's, you can see what kind a crap it is. Only benefit is that bg can happen in non peak hours, where it would be hard to get enough players on both factions, that's why I am up for this, if this suggestion will get us normal bg's back in anyway at least but help the people to have bg's in non peak hours too.

Where is the red line where you won't change stuff in the game? Is this the server where we all came to play? Did you check new suggestions? Increase icc buff, increase XP and the same thing is happening again, pushing the server more and more to the side where it will be just another fun and stupid server out there. Giving an excuse that population is low and we need this because of that is just ridiculous. We are getting so much activity and people with these changes that you removed info about our population from main page.

You told me on chat, tell people not to make suggestions anymore. Fine, revert the changes related to cf to how it should be and then disable suggestion section, you would have big +1 from me. You should be instantly rejecting every suggestion that is related to changing game mechanisms in the game, opposite to what is described in the info of our server, because once again, it will not help you get people.

TW with original idea still has a chance. Two guilds left, so what, we got people thanks to that idea, we will get them back. TW is the only good wotlk server out there(no matter how much flaws in has) and there are people searching to experience true blizzlike server but they don't know about us. Did you see our FB page? If there weren't those posts about the pvp tournament, people would actually think there isn't anything going on, besides, monthly post about fixes/updates,its a real ghost town. Page has 4k+ likes, I'm sure many of them still miss TW and would return if they see its back on the things it were and with some things going on the server.

People should focus to suggest something that can bring players without need of changing things in game, like some event or some kind of activity which we can used to share it as good commercial. I've said million times, you need to use FB page more often, you need to get some things you started back on track(like that event of taking random ss's) and post it on forum and on fb page, update monthly pvp leader board(which hasn't been updated for months, even though I tried to contact GM), these are the stuff you need to focus to get people back, fixing some dungeon which will maybe 2-3 people use, does not count as a way how to increase population.
Retired - Sadly I can't agree with cf bg's being a good choice for the server. The only thing we got with this feature is less bg's nowadays and less people online and I can't participate in this big mistake.

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Re: Change cf bgs

#56 » Post by skyx » 22 Mar 2017 00:21

milanlord wrote:
22 Mar 2017 00:07
...
I read Milanlord's wall of text...and I agree.

But I guess it is a massive struggle to convince people that think cross faction is better than raising levelling exp rates :|

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Re: Change cf bgs

#57 » Post by loveable » 22 Mar 2017 07:10

out of jokeing and all of this , i gave em some nice way to incr pop in game , sadly they wont listen because DIVINITY Carried me for my sword :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Change cf bgs

#58 » Post by Eronox » 23 Mar 2017 15:04

Fun facts:

1. The TW Alliance guild disbanded way before the actual suggestion of CF.

2. The poll is falsified, we checked. Most people want to keep it this way.

3. Lovable's stats of bg-count doesn't inherit relative factors given from the add; It doesn't show the highened frequency of BG's.

4. Nobody said CF on TW is meant for always; but 'till the day we are a complete flower, if not more.

5. People here say they stopped PvP, or playing at all, which wants me to say: Hypocrites.

All in all, you all desire for a flourish of playerbase, and so do I. We are not having our brightest time, indeed not. Do please remember yourself that the realm we talk about is the core, the heart, of TrueWoW origins. Might look dark, yes. Some would say enyoy for the time, some of you might even believe it's a lost cause, but I can still see the light; I still have hope.

So, thinking ahead, what would maintain this true?
Splitting up to keep it as before and oppose divided count of players, have rare occasions of bg/pve and chat, or go together and actually have a stable frequency of it?

Long term still having CF?: Community united, raids to do and many Bgs everyday. If not count for the levelers; never have I been abled to RDF/BG this much while lvling before.
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Re: Change cf bgs

#59 » Post by Agame » 23 Mar 2017 16:26

Fun fact: I played 2-3 weeks on Retail after paying for 3 months, then gave up and started to play on private servers. Why? Because it was crowded over any imagination, even on the "new realm", "perfect for beginners" where I choosed to play.

1. In Elwin forest on every node where a copper vein could spawn, 2-3 lvl 70 toons (it was maximum then) were patiently waiting for a vein to spawn. As soon as one spawned, the fastest of them would harvest it then all will resume waiting.

2. In chat, you could speak to noone because beggars and gold selling commercials posted tens of messages per second. You could not even read your own reply because of how fast the chat would go up.

3. I used to get killed since entering Westfall by hordies. It was a constant PvP battleground there with tens of people on both sides at all hours and low lvl by-passers never had a chance.

That is what means a populated server. This is a low pop server, maybe too low. But here I was mostly alone on my circuits when farming for minerals or leather. Here AH works and most items a low lvl like me would really need are to be found either in AH either in GV. Here I found a guild as soon as I asked for one, a lvl 80 (guildie) willing to help as soon as I had picked some dungeon quests, a tailor who made bags for guildies as soon as I needed some bags, a friendly guildie whenever I needed some advice or just someone to talk to. And only saw one hordie ever killing some guards in SW, and got ganked nowhere else in a whole month (but once in SW) on all zones up to lvl 40-50.

I know I should worry about getting PvP gear by honor points, but at my low lvl that is not a concern anyway. Why strive for PvP gear when you are almost never ganked? I know I should worry about high lvl raids and having not enough people for 25 man at EU hours, but I can also raid at US hours no pb. And that is a concern only for after I hit 80.

I never needed cross-faction in any way and I have nothing against it. It simply does not affect me in any way at all.

Why are you all so desperate we do not have enough population to make any harvesting job a nightmare to lvl, pvp in capitol cities, tens of beggars and constant 25 man raids? Are those any-time-of-day raids so important as to make you accept all the bad sides of a too populated server?

I think TrueWoW is the perfect server for me just as it is. I want a relaxing and friendly server, this is the one. Maybe it would still be perfect if our population would double over night. But it will gradually start to become less and less perfect if population would be more than double the current one and growing.
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Re: Change cf bgs

#60 » Post by Eronox » 23 Mar 2017 16:30

What would your point be even, Agame?

-- World PvP is not even being discussed against ?
-- PvP gear by honor points is not being discussed against either

You don't even mention cross-faction battlegrounds in the post
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